K98 Mauser Serial Numbers
August327,You have an Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifle made by Mauser, not a remodeled military rifle. Commercial proof marks Crowns over BUGN. Looks like Sporting Carbine Type M pattern 720 (pg. 126 Jon Speed Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles). Serial # 118197 places it pre-war 1936-37. There were only 127,000 Commercial Mausers produced and many have been altered or destroyed. Mr Speed evaluates the Model M carbine between $1000.
The serial numbers at that time were 4 digit w/single letter suffix. Produced was 251,606 weapons with the lowest number observed, 126. The highest observed was 1631z. An all matching weapon in good condition would be worth a few bucks. Collectors value OBERNDORF weapons as they were one of the first two manufactures of the K98k in 1934. WWII Mauser Serial Number Tracking Does anyone know of a web site or forum we a person can look up, by serial number, history on a Model 98 Mauser? Thanks folks.
Depending on condition and extras. Its a pretty keeper for people who like fine commercial mausers, but if you must sell get Mr Speeds book and educate yourself on what you have and not get cheated on price.
Good luck, wish it were mine.BobRe: how to identify model and age of Mauser Rifle06/04/11. August327,You have an Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifle made by Mauser, not a remodeled military rifle.
Mauser Model 98 Serial Numbers
Commercial proof marks Crowns over BUGN. Looks like Sporting Carbine Type M pattern 720 (pg. 126 Jon Speed Original Oberndorf Sporting Rifles). Serial # 118197 places it pre-war 1936-37. There were only 127,000 Commercial Mausers produced and many have been altered or destroyed.
Mr Speed evaluates the Model M carbine between $1000. Depending on condition and extras. Its a pretty keeper for people who like fine commercial mausers, but if you must sell get Mr Speeds book and educate yourself on what you have and not get cheated on price. Good luck, wish it were mine.BobSo when did they quit using the full crowns over BUGN? And everything I've read said serial numbers are generally meaningless in Mausers. Is this not the case with commercial sporters?Thanks.
August,A little more info on the proof marks, 1924 German commercial proof laws changed and in addition to Crown over B (rifle proofed in assembled form), Crown over U(final inspection proof), sporting arms were stamped with a Crown over G (indicating a weapon with a rifled bbl). The BUG proofs were applied from 1924-1934, a fourth mark, Crown over N was applied from 1933-34 to late 1939 (to signify the rifle was proofed with nitro-based powder, Crown N was also used on military contract guns for export.)The BGN marks on your rifle look washed out from being polished, with a distinct Crown over U. Maybe it was reblued at the Mauser factory?Your barrel does not snap on/off its most likely the scope is removeable with quick detatchable mounts.BobRe: how to identify model and age of Mauser Rifle06/04/11.
I sold a well used but all original model M 30-06 a few years ago for $1000. It was not in as good of condition as the one you have. I visited Fred Wells in Prescott ( his son Rube has one of the best Mauser sporter collections in the US) later that year and told him.
At that time he said I had sold if for less than half of it's worth!This past year I picked up another model B in 30-06 here in Alaska and I don't plan on letting it go.Rifle magazine will have a seperate magazine out this October specificly on Mauser sporters.
Correct me if I am wrong about this, but the four digit serial number on a 98k is also associated with a letter of the alphabet with each letter accounting for 10,000 pieces produced. From this it is a simple matter to ID a 98k in the production line-up. For example, my ce 41 with 91XX 'o' on the barrel and receiver shows my rifle to be number 150,91XX produced out of a total of 210,592 made in 1941.Now, IMO, the Deutsch being Deutsch made a record of where that 98k went into active service and to whom it was issued. It would be extremely interesting to know the outfit and individual who received this piece initially. Well there a few problems MOST serials recorded never included the letter block.
Mauser Standard Modell Serial Numbers
If the letter block was included the year of the rifle and manucaturer were NEVER recorded so u might find serial 9999 f by some sure luck and if the book was dated 1943 you would have 15 differnt manufactures and years to get a chance of getting this rifle. Lets say you find a CE43 with serial 9999 f (F) block well he could have been issued BYF 43 9999 f (F) block there is just NO way of telling and the records were NEVER kept with this much info to ever find out. Heck you coudl find BSW 1939 9999 f (F) block doesn't mean it was that soldiers the the Solbuch you own.vaughn.
This is a silly question, but I'll help clear it up a bit.The german serial sequence of up to four digits with and without an alpha prefix is known - as well as some variances with this in 1943 and later dated 98k's with 5 digit serials.Anyhow the germans did not follow serials rigidly due to their system of serials and simply how they issued them. If you understand the german depot system of supply, refurb and how these depots were supplied you would see that simply amounts were recorded ( number of rifles not how many by what serials ).Soldbuchs are a bad reference for such a dream - as noted when serials have been recorded in them the maker/date is never used, and rarely is the alpha ever noted.In the US Military all arms are given a unique serial by type.
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For example alot of data has been dug up in US archives that show when a specific 45 pistol was made, accepted and issued to what unit.There are 1911 collectors that have such documented pistols, but short of daily unit rosters with property books and hand receipts it would be impossible to know which individual had any of those pistols. The exception being if the veteran noted the serial in something he kept for a collector to find.As for German bayonets - they were a separate weapon and were made obviously separate from rifles, any 'matched serials' would be coincedental at best, and as well meaningless unless nubers fascinate the individual.